Will you pre-order or buy a Rocket Lake CPU?

Pete @r... · 2 Apr 2021 at 10:47

RavenXXX2 said:
Intel have the budget diy market in the bag. AMD got no answers with its one foundry supply.

They are good value now but why state they have it in the bag, AMD still have cheap CPUs as well, with an upgrade path

RavenXXX2 · 2 Apr 2021 at 12:17

Pete @r... said:
They are good value now but why state they have it in the bag, AMD still have cheap CPUs as well, with an upgrade path

Where?

LePhuronn · 2 Apr 2021 at 12:36

So Intel have the "budget market" in the bag because the low-end 6 cores from the previous gen are below £200, and AMD have no answer to that. lol OK.

Apart from the 6 core CPUs from their previous gen which are still readily available, of course, but no answer other than that.

Or the cheaper motherboards with extensive upgrade potential.

But no, no answer to Intel being "budget king".

Journey · 2 Apr 2021 at 12:48

LePhuronn said:
But no, no answer to Intel being "budget king"

They really are, a B560 with a 10400f or the newer 11400f if you want PCI-E 4.0 is the best performance per £ right now. The virtually unrestricted RAM speeds and opting to use a permanent turbo means they are offering what we were seeing from AMD with the 2600 when that was down at £120 with the cheaper B450's.

LePhuronn · 2 Apr 2021 at 14:24

@Journey indeed, I never disputed Intel being "budget king" right now, but rather that AMD doesn't have anything to counter with. Ryzen 3000 is still a thing, and the 3600 doesn't stop being awesome just because it's a generation old.

Journey said:
The virtually unrestricted RAM speeds and opting to use a permanent turbo...

Explain. I thought RAM speeds were locked now unless you used a Z series board? What's this "permanent turbo"? Clearly I've missed something recently.

imginy · 2 Apr 2021 at 14:40

Journey said:
The 10400f at ~£120 is currently value king, when put on a B560/H570 board however.

When I looked for my son it was only a £20 more to get the z board and performance was much better and can be swapped out for a k at a later date.

Journey · 2 Apr 2021 at 14:46

LePhuronn said:
@Journey indeed, I never disputed Intel being "budget king" right now, but rather that AMD doesn't have anything to counter with. Ryzen 3000 is still a thing, and the 3600 doesn't stop being awesome just because it's a generation old.

Sadly though there isn't many places at retail you can buy the R5 3600 at anywhere near the price you could last year, and at 40-50% more expensive than a 10400f it's a hard choice unless you 100% plan to swap it out for something like a 5900x in a couple of years time to prolong the life of the system.

LePhuronn said:
Explain. I thought RAM speeds were locked now unless you used a Z series board? What's this "permanent turbo"? Clearly I've missed something recently.

That all changed with the 5xx boards, the B/H chipsets now support OC of the RAM, above and beyond the nominal speed of 3200MHz, and as such are much more competitive than when stuck at 2666MHz. As for the boost speeds, pretty much every board manufacturer offers a BIOS setting/or several to increase TAU for PL1/PL2 and as such you can increase the base frequency to the max all core, pretty much all of the time with the correct cooling. Granted it will drink a great deal more power than when at stock, but the performance increase it offers make it competitive with the 10600K/11600K and way beyond what the R5 3600 can do, now they've freed the RAM.

As I've said in many thread 10400f/B560/16GB DDR4 3200MHz+ ~£250 will net you 90-99% of a 5600x for less than the cost of the CPU. It amazing how good of a deal it is now, it just took AMD to embarrass Intel for Intel to allow it to happen.

Journey · 2 Apr 2021 at 14:47

imginy said:
When I looked for my son it was only a £20 more to get the z board and performance was much better and can be swapped out for a k at a later date.

This was prior to the B560/H570 being available, the Z series offer nothing now unless you are buying higher end K series CPU's or you need some of the features.

Game · 2 Apr 2021 at 14:50

Journey said:
Literally what has been said by myself and a few others for a good while, but in this review they don't show you the CPU allowing to stretch its legs using the extra sustained power draw which makes it even more interesting. The 10400f at ~£120 is c

LePhuronn said:
@Journey indeed, I never disputed Intel being "budget king" right now, but rather that AMD doesn't have anything to counter with. Ryzen 3000 is still a thing, and the 3600 doesn't stop being awesome just because it's a generation old.

Explain. I thought RAM speeds were locked now unless you used a Z series board? What's this "permanent turbo"? Clearly I've missed something recently.

ram is unlocked on tbe b560 boards and they also allow you to lock all cores mine is set at 3992 mhz on all cores 24/7 does sometimes drop to 3989 so a second or two but hey

imginy · 2 Apr 2021 at 15:01

Journey said:
This was prior to the B560/H570 being available, the Z series offer nothing now unless you are buying higher end K series CPU's or you need some of the features.

yeah it was last year, I didnt know they had unlocked ram without a z now.

I still think it's nice having the option to drop the k in at a later date if you can get a Z for not much more, I ran my 8400 for 2.5 years then dropped a 9700k in there.

Space Monkey · 2 Apr 2021 at 15:04

No competitors, no further warnings, it'll be straight to suspension

woppy101 · 2 Apr 2021 at 15:29

@Space Monkey just noticed your system specs, you must be the only person I have seen that has gone AMD graphics card with a new intel system, is that through choice or necessity(ie no 3080s available or no 5000 series available) ?

LePhuronn · 2 Apr 2021 at 15:30

Thanks for the clarification @Journey and @Game , I was wondering how long Intel locking RAM speeds was going to last when that tripe came to light. Looks like it's yet another Intel one-generation wonder, but in a good way this time

LePhuronn · 2 Apr 2021 at 15:34

@woppy101 not wanting to speak for him, he had the 10850K a long time before the GPU upgrade IIRC (2080 Ti, wasn't it?).

And arguably the 6800XT is a better card overall than the 3080 even if the latter actually existed.

woppy101 · 2 Apr 2021 at 15:42

LePhuronn said:
@woppy101 not wanting to speak for him, he had the 10850K a long time before the GPU upgrade IIRC (2080 Ti, wasn't it?).

And arguably the 6800XT is a better card overall than the 3080 even if the latter actually existed.

It’s just an observation TBH and not something you see everyday, I was in two minds to try and pick up a 6900XT in place of my 3080

Space Monkey · 2 Apr 2021 at 15:44

woppy101 said:
@Space Monkey just noticed your system specs, you must be the only person I have seen that has gone AMD graphics card with a new intel system, is that through choice or necessity(ie no 3080s available or no 5000 series available) ?

Hi mate,

I researched the Intel vs AMD thing (at time time I had a 3900X) and was thinking of going to the new 5xxx series chips but started noticing a pattern of chip failures and other issues so decided to get the Intel which I'm super happy with, performs like a beast and runs cool.

Initially I had an Nvidia card as @LePhuronn mentioned but again noticed the AMDs were outperforming the 3080s, RT at this time in development doesn't interest me so it was a no brainer (plus lots more RAM).

The AMD I've received is a monster and it runs beautifully with the Intel CPU, so all in all I've got a system I love and performs great

woppy101 · 2 Apr 2021 at 15:52

Space Monkey said:
Hi mate,

I researched the Intel vs AMD thing (at time time I had a 3900X) and was thinking of going to the new 5xxx series chips but started noticing a pattern of chip failures and other issues so decided to get the Intel which I'm super happy with, performs like a beast and runs cool.

Initially I had an Nvidia card as @LePhuronn mentioned but again noticed the AMDs were outperforming the 3080s, RT at this time in development doesn't interest me so it was a no brainer (plus lots more RAM).

The AMD I've received is a monster and it runs beautifully with the Intel CPU, so all in all I've got a system I love and performs great

Nice one mate

, I wasn’t picking, just observing. I really do fancy giving a 6900XT a blast and have hovered over they buy button a few times when drops have appeared but then remembered it would require a new monitor as well(gsync).
Are you watercooled or air cooled?

Space Monkey · 2 Apr 2021 at 15:57

woppy101 said:
Nice one mate, I wasn’t picking, just observing. I really do fancy giving a 6900XT a blast and have hovered over they buy button a few times when drops have appeared but then remembered it would require a new monitor as well(gsync).
Are you watercooled or air cooled?

I'm all air cooled this time around, which I'm actually enjoying as every time I need to change something it's far less hassle

My CPU idles at around 27/28c and the GPU idles around 36c so it's silent and cool.

The AMD Radeon control panel/software is light years above the Nvidia, nicer to use

woppy101 · 2 Apr 2021 at 16:04

Space Monkey said:
I'm all air cooled this time around, which I'm actually enjoying as every time I need to change something it's far less hassle

My CPU idles at around 27/28c and the GPU idles around 36c so it's silent and cool.

The AMD Radeon control panel/software is light years above the Nvidia, nicer to use

Think I might give it a few months to let the product flow stabilise and give the 6000 series a try

Space Monkey · 2 Apr 2021 at 16:05

woppy101 said:
Think I might give it a few months to let the product flow stabilise and give the 6000 series a try

Can't speak for everyone but I'm certainly very happy at this point with the AMD 6800XT/Intel setup.

Don't think I'll get the new Intel CPUs though, but to be fair I've not really researched them