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Tried running hd-tach or similar and comparing the results between you 3 guys ? Might find out why one scores better than the other.
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It could just be a simple case of what your SSD is doing when Windows tests it. The only way I can think 3 of us get different scores.
I will run HDTach later.
I will run HDTach later.
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Run winsat disk from an elevated command prompt if you want to see what it's doing. If you 3 compare you should see why it's scoring you differently.
This is mine and I score a 7.7
This is mine and I score a 7.7
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That is a good tip actually and more informative. Here are my results:
The first from my single mechanical drive to show a comparison for anyone who is wondering why they seem to have a ceiling.
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[B]Mechanical Disk[/B]
[B][COLOR="Red"]Disk Sequential 64.0 Read 69.55 MB/s 5.9[/COLOR][/B]
[COLOR="Red"]Disk Random 16.0 Read 0.96 MB/s 2.9[/COLOR]
Responsiveness: Average IO Rate 3.27 ms/IO 6.2
Responsiveness: Grouped IOs 11.78 units 6.8
Responsiveness: Long IOs 12.05 units 7.2
Responsiveness: Overall 141.91 units 6.6
Responsiveness: PenaltyFactor 0.0
Disk Sequential 64.0 Write 79.83 MB/s 6.2
[COLOR="Red"]Average Read Time with Sequential Writes 7.115 ms 5.3[/COLOR]
Latency: 95th Percentile 17.725 ms 4.8
Latency: Maximum 129.362 ms 7.6
[COLOR="red"]Average Read Time with Random Writes 7.365 ms 5.2[/COLOR]
Total Run Time 00:02:04.58And the Intel X25-M G2 80GB:
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[B]SSD[/B]
[COLOR="YellowGreen"]Disk Sequential 64.0 Read 193.88 MB/s 7.3
Disk Random 16.0 Read 71.72 MB/s 6.9[/COLOR]
Responsiveness: Average IO Rate 2.31 ms/IO 6.8
Responsiveness: Grouped IOs 12.91 units 6.5
Responsiveness: Long IOs 9.47 units 7.4
Responsiveness: Overall 122.32 units 6.7
Responsiveness: PenaltyFactor 0.0
Disk Sequential 64.0 Write 78.72 MB/s 6.2
[COLOR="YellowGreen"]Average Read Time with Sequential Writes 0.999 ms 7.6[/COLOR]
Latency: 95th Percentile 2.154 ms 7.6
Latency: Maximum 151.037 ms 7.5
[COLOR="yellowgreen"]Average Read Time with Random Writes 0.761 ms 7.9[/COLOR]
Total Run Time 00:01:21.47It would be interesting to see if anyone else with the 80GB version of the X25-M gets better results.
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I ran winsat on my SSD - Intel X25-M G2 80GB
I then ran the SSD Optimizer in Intel's SSD Toolbox software and reran the test:
The second run was 12 seconds faster and better scores overall. Though annoyingly the rating in the Windows Index stayed at 7.6! 
Interestingly my overall score has gone up to 7.6 - My 5870 now reads as a 7.8 - no idea why it was only getting a 6.0 before today :/
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[COLOR=YellowGreen]Disk Sequential 64.0 Read 258.79 MB/s 7.5
Disk Random 16.0 Read 193.15 MB/s 7.7[/COLOR]
Responsiveness: Average IO Rate 1.47 ms/IO 7.5
Responsiveness: Grouped IOs 13.14 units 6.5
Responsiveness: Long IOs 13.63 units 7.1
Responsiveness: Overall 179.04 units 6.5
Responsiveness: PenaltyFactor 0.0
Disk Sequential 64.0 Write 83.15 MB/s 6.2
[COLOR=YellowGreen]Average Read Time with Sequential Writes 0.945 ms 7.7[/COLOR]
Latency: 95th Percentile 2.149 ms 7.6
Latency: Maximum 13.578 ms 7.9
[COLOR=YellowGreen]Average Read Time with Random Writes 0.591 ms 7.9[/COLOR]
Total Run Time 00:01:20.79
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[COLOR=Orange]Disk Sequential 64.0 Read 260.93 MB/s 7.5
Disk Random 16.0 Read 198.60 MB/s 7.7[/COLOR]
Responsiveness: Average IO Rate 1.55 ms/IO 7.5
Responsiveness: Grouped IOs 11.47 units 6.9
Responsiveness: Long IOs 5.59 units 7.7
Responsiveness: Overall 64.13 units 6.9
Responsiveness: PenaltyFactor 0.0
Disk Sequential 64.0 Write 84.13 MB/s 6.3
[COLOR=Orange]Average Read Time with Sequential Writes 0.475 ms 7.9[/COLOR]
Latency: 95th Percentile 1.931 ms 7.7
Latency: Maximum 51.381 ms 7.9
[COLOR=Orange]Average Read Time with Random Writes 0.723 ms 7.9[/COLOR]
Total Run Time 00:01:08.70Interestingly my overall score has gone up to 7.6 - My 5870 now reads as a 7.8 - no idea why it was only getting a 6.0 before today :/
Soldato
My screenshot is from the same X25-M 80GB that you have by the way so my scores seem a little better. Your Random read seems a bit slow, which drivers and OS are you using? I'm using the latest RST drivers from http://www.station-drivers.com/page/intel raid.htm which are 2 versions ahead of the ones on Intel's site.
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I know, I'm thinking about this right now but I really can't be bothered looking into it till next week.
I'm using Windows 7 x64. I thought maybe it was a firmware issue but mine seems to be newer (at least, that's the way we read the numbers) than SB's (2CV102HD vs 2CV102HA)
The only thing that springs to mind is that I'm running IDE and he's running AHCI. If it was a few mb/s out I wouldn't be bothered, but it's pretty significant so needs looking at. Would running in IDE instead of AHCI mode make such a big difference?
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I know, I'm thinking about this right now but I really can't be bothered looking into it till next week.
I'm using Windows 7 x64. I thought maybe it was a firmware issue but mine seems to be newer (at least, that's the way we read the numbers) than SB's (2CV102HD vs 2CV102HA)
The only thing that springs to mind is that I'm running IDE and he's running AHCI. If it was a few mb/s out I wouldn't be bothered, but it's pretty significant so needs looking at. Would running in IDE instead of AHCI mode make such a big difference?
AHCI is a massive difference with SSD's due to NCQ. Take a look at this article to see how big the difference can be.
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.p...sk=view&id=505&Itemid=38&limit=1&limitstart=9
You can enable AHCI with a simple tweak
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922976
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Cheers for that. Believe it or not I did have a scout on Google for IDE vs AHCI at the time but I didn't get a conclusive answer - obviously didn't look hard enough. I'll let you know if it works.
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TRIM is passed with either IDE or AHCI.
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[B]IDE mode[/B]
Disk Sequential 64.0 Read 193.88 MB/s
Disk Random 16.0 Read 71.72 MB/s
Responsiveness: Average IO Rate 2.31 ms/IO
Responsiveness: Grouped IOs 12.91 units
Responsiveness: Long IOs 9.47 units
Responsiveness: Overall 122.32 units
Responsiveness: PenaltyFactor
Disk Sequential 64.0 Write 78.72 MB/s
Average Read Time with Sequential Writes 0.999 ms
Latency: 95th Percentile 2.154 ms
Latency: Maximum 151.037 ms
Average Read Time with Random Writes 0.761 ms
Total Run Time 00:01:21.47
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[B]AHCI mode[/B]
Disk Sequential 64.0 Read 247.63 MB/s
Disk Random 16.0 Read 199.17 MB/s
Responsiveness: Average IO Rate 1.42 ms/IO
Responsiveness: Grouped IOs 11.43 units
Responsiveness: Long IOs 3.35 units
Responsiveness: Overall 38.30 units
Responsiveness: PenaltyFactor
Disk Sequential 64.0 Write 85.46 MB/s
Average Read Time with Sequential Writes 0.587 ms
Latency: 95th Percentile 2.298 ms
Latency: Maximum 7.449 ms
Average Read Time with Random Writes 0.572 ms
Total Run Time 00:01:10.37Well what a difference... Broken Hope wins the "spot the obvious flaw in my setup which I actually knew about but didn't think it would make that much of a difference award"
WEI says 7.6 for the drive now which is not what I was bothered about (it was the winsat tool that highlighted the problem, so cheers again) but worth mentioning.
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Just upgrade hd from old deskstar to a Intel X25-M Mainstream 80GB 2.5" SATA-II Solid State Hard Drive.
Before the ssd drive upgrade
And with my new Intel X25-M Mainstream 80GB 2.5" SATA-II Solid State Hard Drive
Before the ssd drive upgrade
And with my new Intel X25-M Mainstream 80GB 2.5" SATA-II Solid State Hard Drive
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Code:[B]IDE mode[/B] Disk Sequential 64.0 Read 193.88 MB/s Disk Random 16.0 Read 71.72 MB/s Responsiveness: Average IO Rate 2.31 ms/IO Responsiveness: Grouped IOs 12.91 units Responsiveness: Long IOs 9.47 units Responsiveness: Overall 122.32 units Responsiveness: PenaltyFactor Disk Sequential 64.0 Write 78.72 MB/s Average Read Time with Sequential Writes 0.999 ms Latency: 95th Percentile 2.154 ms Latency: Maximum 151.037 ms Average Read Time with Random Writes 0.761 ms Total Run Time 00:01:21.47
Code:[B]AHCI mode[/B] Disk Sequential 64.0 Read 247.63 MB/s Disk Random 16.0 Read 199.17 MB/s Responsiveness: Average IO Rate 1.42 ms/IO Responsiveness: Grouped IOs 11.43 units Responsiveness: Long IOs 3.35 units Responsiveness: Overall 38.30 units Responsiveness: PenaltyFactor Disk Sequential 64.0 Write 85.46 MB/s Average Read Time with Sequential Writes 0.587 ms Latency: 95th Percentile 2.298 ms Latency: Maximum 7.449 ms Average Read Time with Random Writes 0.572 ms Total Run Time 00:01:10.37
Well what a difference... Broken Hope wins the "spot the obvious flaw in my setup which I actually knew about but didn't think it would make that much of a difference award"
WEI says 7.6 for the drive now which is not what I was bothered about (it was the winsat tool that highlighted the problem, so cheers again) but worth mentioning.
Looking much better. This is why I don't understand why people are so quick to dismiss the WEI, WEI is just a frontend for winsat, it does valid tests and has helped pinpoint a performance issue with your drive.
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I think as a test it clearly does some decent background work, but the actual scoring masks a lot of the information - but this is to be expected as the point is generate a simple score.
In my example I was only dropping 0.3 WEI points in the disk benchmark but my results were horrendous. This actually contributed to me not looking into the problem further as I figured the small discrepancy was down to my motherboard being a few years old or maybe my disk hit a bit of activity when I ran WEI.
Anyway I really like that winsat tool, I'll be definitely using that in the future. Thanks again.
In my example I was only dropping 0.3 WEI points in the disk benchmark but my results were horrendous. This actually contributed to me not looking into the problem further as I figured the small discrepancy was down to my motherboard being a few years old or maybe my disk hit a bit of activity when I ran WEI.
Anyway I really like that winsat tool, I'll be definitely using that in the future. Thanks again.
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i like the wei scores, my ssd was showing 5.9, most peeps on this forum said just leave it, it means nothing, but i had an issue and a clean format sorted it and was back to 7.8 the Intel optimizer was not working.
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Just installed a new HDD, last time my HDD was the weak link at 5.9, now it's my CPU lol
My HDD has shot up to 7.4
And no, its not a SSD.