Wow how slow is Windows 10 at updating? Also how to prevent it updating in future?

[Hades]

Oh you talked about MS forum, not OCUK forum.

Yes I had seen these links before and already replied it but you had gone pulled back same arguement yet again.

I showed this thread to my friend IT teacher I told you and he were laughed at you at your pointless arguments, he told me it seemed everybody (teachers, pupils and his dad, cousins, all his friends included me) has a home laptop running Windows 10 Home don't have issue with automatic windows update. If you go to PC World site and you will find 243 laptops and 108 desktops running Windows 10 Home, millions bought these PCs and don't have a problem with automatic update. He suggested you to stop waste your time kept posted all pointless arguments on OCUK or Microsoft forum, you are the minority so he agreed with me that it is very good idea you should sent messages to Microsoft direct on either Facebook or Twitter so there the list again.

Satya Nadella, Microsoft CEO

https://www.facebook.com/Satyanadella92/
https://twitter.com/satyanadella

Gabriel Aul, Microsoft VP, WDG Engineering Systems team (former Lead of Windows Insider program)

https://www.facebook.com/gabriel.aul
https://twitter.com/GabeAul?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

Dona Sarkar, Microsoft Lead of Windows Insider program (former software engineer for Windows Vista)

https://www.facebook.com/literati
https://twitter.com/donasarkar?lang=en

Panos Panay, Microsoft Chief Product Officer/VP of Devices (former Windows division)

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100011327963044
https://twitter.com/panos_panay?lang=en

The vast, vast majority of customers continue to buy Windows laptops because they don't know what other options there are or can't afford a MacBook. For them there is simply no other alternative. But that's not the same as saying they don't have issues.

Anyway, it's too late for me. Regardless of what other people do, Windows 10 updates were what caused me to drop windows and move to Linux for everything except occasional gaming. Rather than complain and be ignored by a company I will simply stop using their product.

 

[Rroff]

Rather than complain and be ignored by a company I will simply stop using their product.

Unfortunately for me this isn't like choosing a model of car so much of my usage just can't be replaced using other OSes none the least gaming, For instance I've a number of applications and/or drivers for some stuff I use for an electronics hobby that have only ever been developed for Windows and either don't work at all under other OSes or are missing features/buggy if you do manage to get them running under Linux.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Windows 7, that'll stop it updating and hosing yer rig

 

[Rroff]

Windows 7, that'll stop it updating and hosing yer rig

Sadly on my devices like the GPD Pocket no drivers work/exist for earlier than 10 - amongst other things they baked in a Windows 10 driver to rotate the screen as it is using a display normally used in portrait mode in a tablet by default in landscape mode by default and for some reason haven't adjusted it in hardware.

 

[jpaul]

I had a look for windows 10 customer surveys, to see if they would substantiate problems - there was only a which article, with a limited sample from their customers
https://www.which.co.uk/news/2018/06/windows-10-update-pain-microsoft-must-do-more-for-consumers/
but it did have the remark
so, if you keeep a record of the time you wasted could you claim ....email to ceo ?

Compensation
Microsoft has offered ‘gesture of goodwill’ payments to some people who have had issues with Windows 10 such as Arthur Shaw above. However, it has so far not discussed any real compensation for the many consumers who have got in touch with us. Or, indeed, the many more who may have been affected.
We want Microsoft to offer compensation to people who have spent time and money trying to get their computer back to the state it was prior to the software being installed.

Neither JDpower or AmericanCustomerSatisfactionIndex have much to say about them.
https://www.theacsi.org/index.php?o...=article&id=149&catid=&Itemid=214&c=Microsoft

 

[Rroff]

It is hard to find any real survey data - there are some going back to 2015 or something showing 60-70% satisfaction but they are pretty obviously engineered to get a specific answer so meaningless.

I would say from most conversations I've had with people IRL the majority of people don't find Windows 10 ideal a good few aren't particularly happy with it but would rather just put up with it than complain much

I was struck setting up a new Windows 10 system a couple of days ago how the latest implementation skips over so many chances to understand what the user wants and customise the experience for what is best for them but instead makes the user choose between which of two options is least worse for them :s

 

[jpaul]

It is hard to find any real survey data

Exactly .. but why ?
I would have thought usa consumer groups would want to nail the likes microsoft (or fb / google) to the wall - or are they just too powerful as enemies.
(I see facebook now started their comeback programme with an insipid ingratiating tv advert Here together parody )

 

[edscdk]

Oh you talked about MS forum, not OCUK forum.

Yes I had seen these links before and already replied it but you had gone pulled back same arguement yet again.

I showed this thread to my friend IT teacher I told you and he were laughed at you at your pointless arguments, he told me it seemed everybody (teachers, pupils and his dad, cousins, all his friends included me) has a home laptop running Windows 10 Home don't have issue with automatic windows update. If you go to PC World site and you will find 243 laptops and 108 desktops running Windows 10 Home, millions bought these PCs and don't have a problem with automatic update. He suggested you to stop waste your time kept posted all pointless arguments on OCUK or Microsoft forum, you are the minority so he agreed with me that it is very good idea you should sent messages to Microsoft direct on either Facebook or Twitter so there the list again.

Satya Nadella, Microsoft CEO

https://www.facebook.com/Satyanadella92/
https://twitter.com/satyanadella

Gabriel Aul, Microsoft VP, WDG Engineering Systems team (former Lead of Windows Insider program)

https://www.facebook.com/gabriel.aul
https://twitter.com/GabeAul?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

Dona Sarkar, Microsoft Lead of Windows Insider program (former software engineer for Windows Vista)

https://www.facebook.com/literati
https://twitter.com/donasarkar?lang=en

Panos Panay, Microsoft Chief Product Officer/VP of Devices (former Windows division)

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100011327963044
https://twitter.com/panos_panay?lang=en

I visit scores of home users lots of people complain about the number, frequency and slowless of updates more so that previous versions of Windows.. I'm loving the new big "brick' maker updates as they score me £80 a pop to unbrick machines.. I usually sell a ssd as well at the same time to speed up the slow amd frequent updates.. I also doubled my installation fee due to the hours it takes setting up a new w10 pc.. I frequently have to go back the next day to finish the job

 

[darael]

I also doubled my installation fee due to the hours it takes setting up a new w10 pc.. I frequently have to go back the next day to finish the job

What takes so long about a new installation of Windows 10? Even on my slow netbook, I could have Windows 10 installed and have the drivers updated with Snappy Driver Installer Origin.

I can only imagine that you are installing Windows 10, then the cumulative update. My installation time is decimated largely because I intregrate the cumulative update into my installation files.

 

[Rroff]

What takes so long about a new installation of Windows 10? Even on my slow netbook, I could have Windows 10 installed and have the drivers updated with Snappy Driver Installer Origin.

Theoretically something like that shouldn't be needed though.

I'm not disbelieving some people who update/install Windows 10 relatively quickly but its never been my experience and that is anything from pre-built systems with Windows 10 already imaged onto it through to stuff I've setup clean myself.

Couple of days ago I setup a new Windows 10 system - relatively OK hardware (quad core, 8GB RAM, 128GB SSD) with 1703 out the box - started middle of the day and it had just about finished with all the setup and updates, etc. for 1803 by the time I went to bed at 2-3am.

I'm not really caring about that so much though it is a bit of a pain - it is the fact you've little control over when it launches into something like that - despite there "only" being 2 big feature updates a year still get disruptively big updates in that respect more frequently and the irritation multiplies when you are running multiple Windows 10 systems and hence run into it more frequently.

 

[darael]

Theoretically something like that shouldn't be needed though.

I'm not disbelieving some people who update/install Windows 10 relatively quickly but its never been my experience and that is anything from pre-built systems with Windows 10 already imaged onto it through to stuff I've setup clean myself.

Couple of days ago I setup a new Windows 10 system - relatively OK hardware (quad core, 8GB RAM, 128GB SSD) with 1703 out the box - started middle of the day and it had just about finished with all the setup and updates, etc. for 1803 by the time I went to bed at 2-3am.

I'm not really caring about that so much though it is a bit of a pain - it is the fact you've little control over when it launches into something like that - despite there "only" being 2 big feature updates a year still get disruptively big updates in that respect more frequently and the irritation multiplies when you are running multiple Windows 10 systems and hence run into it more frequently.

I completely agree with you. The current update method is so slow and inefficient, something has to change. I have experienced Windows 10 updates take as long as 3-4 hours - but usually on hardware challenged machines with harddrives, low memory and underpowered processors.

 

[Rroff]

I completely agree with you. The current update method is so slow and inefficient, something has to change. I have experienced Windows 10 updates take as long as 3-4 hours - but usually on hardware challenged machines with harddrives, low memory and underpowered processors.

I've not found much rhyme or rhythm to how fast updates take other than slower eMMC storage combined with low amounts of RAM tends to hamper things - I've two of these setup pretty much identically (to the point I sometimes get confused which I'm using):



And there is zero consistency in how long the same update takes to apply.

My dad's main desktop is still a Q6600 with a mechanical HDD, not sure how much RAM off the top of my head and it updates as fast as anything I've seen on Windows 10 and the OS is pretty junked up as that is what my nephews mess about on, etc. when they are staying while his laptop which is an i5 with 16GB RAM and an SSD takes twice as long to update easily heh.

In that respect earlier OSes aren't hugely different - Windows 7 could take an absolute age sometimes but at least then you could manually schedule it to when you knew it wouldn't be a problem and could disable it entirely and know you wouldn't get any surprises.

 

[wesley]

what laptop is that? looks tiny!

 

[wesley]

I showed this thread to my friend IT teacher I told you and he were laughed at you at your pointless arguments, he told me it seemed everybody (teachers, pupils and his dad, cousins, all his friends included me) has a home laptop running Windows 10 Home don't have issue with automatic windows update. If you go to PC World site and you will find 243 laptops and 108 desktops running Windows 10 Home, millions bought these PCs and don't have a problem with automatic update. He suggested you to stop waste your time kept posted all pointless arguments on OCUK or Microsoft forum, you are the minority so he agreed with me that it is very good idea you should sent messages to Microsoft direct on either Facebook or Twitter so there the list again.

i work in a very large college (wont say which one) with over 3400 computers over 6 sites and some outlets

i work with IT teachers every day, frankly....all of them are........rubbish. they know nothing what we do at all. they don't know how to fix computers. they are there to teach. that it.

you've showed a lack of real IT experience in a large IT sector which is why i stopped talking to you at the beginning. all you do is copy/paste from internet, your cousin, sisters, your IT teacher friend etc.

 

[V F]

@Rroff you can see the pattern. How other people are getting annoyed by the lack of control asking the same questions if another platform has that control.

https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1366780-macos-update-situation/

2. Can you hide/stop/block updates or not install them at all? Or eventually you must install them? Does this operating system employ tricks of its own to re-enable updates even after you have disabled or blocked them?

 

[Rroff]

what laptop is that? looks tiny!

GPD Pocket - 7" but for their size pack a decent punch and the screen is really nice.

 

[darael]

Looks like I jinxed myself. My laptop performed an automatic update, now it is stuck in an "Attempting to repair" loop with no sign of recovery so far. Luckily there isn't much on it, so reinstalling it won't be the end of the world.

 

[Rroff]

Looks like I jinxed myself. My laptop performed an automatic update, now it is stuck in an "Attempting to repair" loop with no sign of recovery so far. Luckily there isn't much on it, so reinstalling it won't be the end of the world.

Well that is the thing - if I'm travelling for instance the last thing I need is having to spend time recovering my laptop, tablet or whatever - normally I try to stay on top of critical security updates manually and leave anything else until a more convenient time. Doesn't matter if its Windows 7, 8, 10 even XP it isn't like Windows update has a glorious history of working as intended at the best of times :s

 

[darael]

Well that is the thing - if I'm travelling for instance the last thing I need is having to spend time recovering my laptop, tablet or whatever - normally I try to stay on top of critical security updates manually and leave anything else until a more convenient time. Doesn't matter if its Windows 7, 8, 10 even XP it isn't like Windows update has a glorious history of working as intended at the best of times :s

Seems as though my problem is to do with a corrupt bootres.dll file. A quick Google reveals plenty of other people having exactly the same problem. One fix is to recreate the EFI partition, but my laptop doesn't have one.

Currently reinstalling Windows 10 and going to perform a Windows 10 update again to see if the problem rears it's ugly head again. In the meantime, I am updating my installation media with the latest cumulative update for testing purposes.

 

[wesley]

GPD Pocket - 7" but for their size pack a decent punch and the screen is really nice.

Impressive! Not much bigger than my phone lol