time for an upgrade

tonymax99 · 13 Oct 2020 at 14:22

hi, thanks for looking.
ive an old Intel 3820, Gigabyte x79 UD5 motherboard with 32GB pc2400 RAM i think.

need something a little faster. im running mainly music DAW's like cubase but would like to add graphics like 3d which i run easily on my i5 8th gen with 1050 graphics.

Im looking online but its all a bit overwhelming, looking for cheap faster pc update, only motherboard, CPU, GPU, RAM needed as all other components have recently been updated like power supply, SSD ect.

anythong in the £500 price range.. can go alittle higher if needed.

suggestions welcome..

thanks in advance

Tony

dfour · 13 Oct 2020 at 15:20

This would be the base I would work from

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX (Socket AM4) DDR4 ATX Motherboard= £99.98
1 x AMD Ryzen 5 3600 Six Core 4.2GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail= £209.99
1 x Team Group Vulcan TUF Gaming Alliance 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C19 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit - Blac= £64.99

Total: £385.46 (includes shipping: £10.50)

Gives you £125 of your budget left so you will need to add more for a reasonable new graphicas card unless your happy to go second hand.

Like any of these.

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x MSI Radeon RX 580 ARMOR OC 8192MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card= £169.99
1 x Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 OC 6144MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card= £199.99
1 x MSI GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER VENTUS XS OC 6144MB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card= £218.99
1 x Gigabyte Radeon RX 5600 XT WindForce OC 6144MB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card= £259.99

Total: £860.06 (includes shipping: £11.10)

Hope this helps.

tonymax99 · 13 Oct 2020 at 16:00

thanks dfour,
great place to work from..thanks for the advice.

what would be the increase processing power in the ryzen 5 3600 from my old 3820 be, im assuming quite a difference..
Tony

Lemin · 13 Oct 2020 at 16:35

For better quieter cooler than the stock one id get..
My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x Arctic Freezer 34 eSports White CPU Cooler - 120mm= £29.99

Total: £32.73 (includes shipping: £2.74)

dfour · 13 Oct 2020 at 17:06

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-3820-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3600/m739vs4040

tonymax99 · 13 Oct 2020 at 18:45

dfour said:
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-3820-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3600/m739vs4040

HI dfour,
i did manage to get to this page, looks like a good improvement..

dfour · 13 Oct 2020 at 18:49

What case do you have @tonymax99 ?? Just want to check the motherboard and cooler will fit it.

tonymax99 · 13 Oct 2020 at 19:16

its a

GameMax F15 Mesh ARGB PC Gaming Case, E-ATX , so im thinking it will fit, i currently have a corsair hydro h80i i think it is.. cant find the exact model..

tonymax99 · 13 Oct 2020 at 20:10

could you recommend a motherboard that would allow future upgrades as well...
the more USB connections the better, i have 5 external HDD with years of backup data on.. plus all my music stuff is connected via usb as well...
thanks for all the great help..

tonymax99 · 14 Oct 2020 at 13:35

what would be the next step up from this...

Gray2233 · 14 Oct 2020 at 14:34

Alternatively you could pick up a cheap 6c12t Xeon for around £20 and see a fair uplift from that 3820 without having to go to all the faff, then do a bigger upgrade next year when we have better pricing and availability for new hardware.

dfour · 14 Oct 2020 at 15:02

here are the xeon your board supports assuming its a revision 1 board

Intel Xeon E5-2680v2 2‎.80GHz 2‎5MB Ivy Bridge-EP 2‎2nm S1 1‎15W 1‎00 N/A
Intel Xeon E5-2637v2 3‎.50GHz 1‎5MB Ivy Bridge-EP 2‎2nm S1 1‎30W 1‎00 N/A
Intel Xeon E5-2630Lv2 2‎.40GHz 1‎5MB Ivy Bridge-EP 2‎2nm S1 6‎0W 1‎00 N/A
Intel Xeon E5-2630v2 2‎.60GHz 1‎5MB Ivy Bridge-EP 2‎2nm S1 8‎0W 1‎00 N/A
Intel Xeon E5-2620v2 2‎.10GHz 1‎5MB Ivy Bridge-EP 2‎2nm S1 8‎0W 1‎00 N/A
Intel Xeon E5-2609v2 2‎.50GHz 1‎0MB Ivy Bridge-EP 2‎2nm S1 8‎0W 1‎00 N/A
Intel Xeon E5-2603v2 1‎.80GHz 1‎0MB Ivy Bridge-EP 2‎2nm S1 8‎0W 1‎00 N/A
Intel Xeon E5-1660v2 3‎.70GHz 1‎5MB Ivy Bridge-EP 2‎2nm S1 1‎30W 1‎00 N/A
Intel Xeon E5-1650v2 3‎.50GHz 1‎2MB Ivy Bridge-EP 2‎2nm S1 1‎30W 1‎00 N/A
Intel Xeon E5-1620v2 3‎.70GHz 1‎0MB Ivy Bridge-EP 2‎2nm S1 1‎30W 1‎00 N/A
Intel Xeon E5-2680 2‎.70GHz 2‎0MB Sandy Bridge-EP 3‎2nm C2 1‎30W 1‎00 F9
Intel Xeon E5-2670 2‎.60GHz 2‎0MB Sandy Bridge-EP 3‎2nm C2 1‎30W 1‎00 F9
Intel Xeon E5-2650 2‎.00GHz 2‎0MB Sandy Bridge-EP 3‎2nm C2 9‎5W 1‎00 F9
Intel Xeon E5-2650L 1‎.80GHz 2‎0MB Sandy Bridge-EP 3‎2nm C2 7‎0W 1‎00 F12
Intel Xeon E5-2643 3‎.30GHz 1‎0MB Sandy Bridge-EP 3‎2nm M1 1‎30W 1‎00 F12
Intel Xeon E5-2640 2‎.50GHz 1‎5MB Sandy Bridge-EP 3‎2nm C2 9‎5W 1‎00 F9
Intel Xeon E5-2630 2‎.30GHz 1‎5MB Sandy Bridge-EP 3‎2nm C2 9‎5W 1‎00 F9
Intel Xeon E5-2620 2‎.00GHz 1‎5MB Sandy Bridge-EP 3‎2nm C2 9‎5W 1‎00 F9
Intel Xeon E5-2687W 3‎.10GHz 2‎0MB Sandy Bridge-EP 3‎2nm C2 1‎50W 1‎00 F10
Intel Xeon E5-1660 3‎.30GHz 1‎5MB Sandy Bridge-EP 3‎2nm C2 1‎30W 1‎00 F12
Intel Xeon E5-1650 3‎.20GHz 1‎2MB Sandy Bridge-EP 3‎2nm C1 1‎30W 1‎00 F9
Intel Xeon E5-1620 3‎.60GHz 1‎0MB Sandy Bridge-EP 3‎2nm M1 1‎30W 1‎00 F9

Gray2233 · 14 Oct 2020 at 15:04

Yup^

Assuming you can use more than 6c/12t some of those are actually 8c/16t chips.

You can pick most of them up dirt cheap second hand.

dfour · 14 Oct 2020 at 15:09

To get lots of usb rear ports you would need to step up to an x570 board of about £200+ or alternativly buy a usb add in board or a NAS to hold all your drives in one place.

Gray2233 said:
Yup^

Assuming you can use more than 6c/12t some of those are actually 8c/16t chips.

You can pick most of them up dirt cheap second hand.

Knowing little about xeons are they muliplier locked because some run below 3gig I noticed?

tonymax99 · 14 Oct 2020 at 15:31

"To get lots of usb rear ports you would need to step up to an x570 board of about £200+ or alternativly buy a usb add in board or a NAS to hold all your drives in one place."

HI, was thinking NAS ot multiple HDD enclosure...
moving to an x570 board, what would be best bang for buck CPU, im thinking 8 core maybe.. 16 threads.. a step up from the 3600? is it worth waiting for Black Friday or are there any great not to miss deals around ive missed...

cheers again, and thanks for the great help and advice..

Tony

Gray2233 · 14 Oct 2020 at 15:47

dfour said:
To get lots of usb rear ports you would need to step up to an x570 board of about £200+ or alternativly buy a usb add in board or a NAS to hold all your drives in one place.

Knowing little about xeons are they muliplier locked because some run below 3gig I noticed?

I think the E5's are but I'm not 100%, some Xeon's are unlocked though and make for fantastic cheap OC projects or upgrades to old builds.

tonymax99 · 14 Oct 2020 at 15:50

dfour said:
here are the xeon your board supports assuming its a revision 1 board

Intel Xeon E5-2680v2 2‎.80GHz 2‎5MB Ivy Bridge-EP 2‎2nm S1 1‎15W 1‎00 N/A
Intel Xeon E5-2637v2 3‎.50GHz 1‎5MB Ivy Bridge-EP 2‎2nm S1 1‎30W 1‎00 N/A
Intel Xeon E5-2630Lv2 2‎.40GHz 1‎5MB Ivy Bridge-EP 2‎2nm S1 6‎0W 1‎00 N/A
Intel Xeon E5-2630v2 2‎.60GHz 1‎5MB Ivy Bridge-EP 2‎2nm S1 8‎0W 1‎00 N/A
Intel Xeon E5-2620v2 2‎.10GHz 1‎5MB Ivy Bridge-EP 2‎2nm S1 8‎0W 1‎00 N/A
Intel Xeon E5-2609v2 2‎.50GHz 1‎0MB Ivy Bridge-EP 2‎2nm S1 8‎0W 1‎00 N/A
Intel Xeon E5-2603v2 1‎.80GHz 1‎0MB Ivy Bridge-EP 2‎2nm S1 8‎0W 1‎00 N/A
Intel Xeon E5-1660v2 3‎.70GHz 1‎5MB Ivy Bridge-EP 2‎2nm S1 1‎30W 1‎00 N/A
Intel Xeon E5-1650v2 3‎.50GHz 1‎2MB Ivy Bridge-EP 2‎2nm S1 1‎30W 1‎00 N/A
Intel Xeon E5-1620v2 3‎.70GHz 1‎0MB Ivy Bridge-EP 2‎2nm S1 1‎30W 1‎00 N/A
Intel Xeon E5-2680 2‎.70GHz 2‎0MB Sandy Bridge-EP 3‎2nm C2 1‎30W 1‎00 F9
Intel Xeon E5-2670 2‎.60GHz 2‎0MB Sandy Bridge-EP 3‎2nm C2 1‎30W 1‎00 F9
Intel Xeon E5-2650 2‎.00GHz 2‎0MB Sandy Bridge-EP 3‎2nm C2 9‎5W 1‎00 F9
Intel Xeon E5-2650L 1‎.80GHz 2‎0MB Sandy Bridge-EP 3‎2nm C2 7‎0W 1‎00 F12
Intel Xeon E5-2643 3‎.30GHz 1‎0MB Sandy Bridge-EP 3‎2nm M1 1‎30W 1‎00 F12
Intel Xeon E5-2640 2‎.50GHz 1‎5MB Sandy Bridge-EP 3‎2nm C2 9‎5W 1‎00 F9
Intel Xeon E5-2630 2‎.30GHz 1‎5MB Sandy Bridge-EP 3‎2nm C2 9‎5W 1‎00 F9
Intel Xeon E5-2620 2‎.00GHz 1‎5MB Sandy Bridge-EP 3‎2nm C2 9‎5W 1‎00 F9
Intel Xeon E5-2687W 3‎.10GHz 2‎0MB Sandy Bridge-EP 3‎2nm C2 1‎50W 1‎00 F10
Intel Xeon E5-1660 3‎.30GHz 1‎5MB Sandy Bridge-EP 3‎2nm C2 1‎30W 1‎00 F12
Intel Xeon E5-1650 3‎.20GHz 1‎2MB Sandy Bridge-EP 3‎2nm C1 1‎30W 1‎00 F9
Intel Xeon E5-1620 3‎.60GHz 1‎0MB Sandy Bridge-EP 3‎2nm M1 1‎30W 1‎00 F9

yup its a rev 1 board

dfour · 14 Oct 2020 at 16:00

tonymax99 said:
"To get lots of usb rear ports you would need to step up to an x570 board of about £200+ or alternativly buy a usb add in board or a NAS to hold all your drives in one place."

HI, was thinking NAS ot multiple HDD enclosure...
moving to an x570 board, what would be best bang for buck CPU, im thinking 8 core maybe.. 16 threads.. a step up from the 3600? is it worth waiting for Black Friday or are there any great not to miss deals around ive missed...

cheers again, and thanks for the great help and advice..

Tony

The best bang for buck cpu is the 3600 end off. Would a 3700/5700 make a difference?? It depends if you will do anything to utilize those extra cores. From your usage on the original post the answer would seem like no.

The 570x board will only give you more usb/sata/m2/pcie-4 connections over a b450/b550 board I believe unless you spend big.

tonymax99 · 14 Oct 2020 at 16:05

dfour said:
The best bang for buck cpu is the 3600 end off. Would a 3700/5700 make a difference?? It depends if you will do anything to utilize those extra cores. From your usage on the original post the answer would seem like no.

The 570x board will only give you more usb/sata/m2/pcie-4 connections over a b450/b550 board I believe unless you spend big.

thats great advice dfour.. appreciated...
music tends to be CPU intensive.. depending on how many plugins, stems etc are being run.. was just thinking bigger is better, but doesnt seem so in the CPU market..

thanks

Joxeon · 14 Oct 2020 at 16:12

dfour said:
This would be the base I would work from

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX (Socket AM4) DDR4 ATX Motherboard= £99.98

1 x AMD Ryzen 5 3600 Six Core 4.2GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail= £209.99

1 x Team Group Vulcan TUF Gaming Alliance 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C19 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit - Blac= £64.99

Total: £385.46 (includes shipping: £10.50)

Gives you £125 of your budget left so you will need to add more for a reasonable new graphicas card unless your happy to go second hand.

If you take advantage of the MSI back to school promo you can get a B550 with the 3600 with £36 off so it actually works out at £83 for a slightly better motherboard.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/lp/msi-back-to-school-2020.html

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x AMD Ryzen 5 3600 Six Core 4.2GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail= £209.99
1 x MSI MAG B550M Bazooka (AMD AM4) B550 Micro-ATX Motherboard= £119.99

Total: £340.48 (includes shipping: £10.50)