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Ryzen or Coffee Lake

Discussion in 'New to PC gaming & upgrade advice' started by Jord-88, 26 Nov 2017.

  1. Jord-88

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    Following on from my other monitor and GPU threads, I've come to the conclusion that a build upgrade is needed. I will list my current build for reference:

    Gigabyte GA Z68
    I5 2500k @ 4.2ghz ( 212+ cooler)
    16gb corsair ddr3
    Gtx 970 msi
    Xfx 700 psu
    AOC 24"

    I have on order a 1440p 144hz 27 inch G Sync monitor, I will also be ordering a 1080ti soon.

    I've put together these 2 different possible builds from AMD and Intel.

    Intel i5-8600k
    Asus ROG Z370 HERO ARC
    Corsair Vengeance RGB 16GB 3600MHZ

    AND Ryzen 7 1700x AM4
    Asus RIG Crosshair GO Hero X370
    Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 2666MHZ

    Opinions welcome and any advice on which is the better build, or if there is anything better and/or cheaper than what I've listed.

    Thanks.
     
  2. tamzzy

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    what is the purpose of the pc? ryzen is better at multi-threaded stuff vs the i5 (6c12t vs 6c6t)
     
  3. ExRayTed

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    Without doubt I'd pick the 8600K over the 1700X - better IPC and most gaming benchmarks (not representative of everyday usage, I know) show the 8600k ahead. For gaming (and I'm assuming you are given the planned 1080ti) it'd be the 8600K all day long for me.

    Also, though the ROG motherboards are good, you're paying a premium for that branding. There are equally good motherboards that cost less.
     
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  4. Jord-88

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    I should have said, the PC is primarily used for gaming, a mixture of all kinds of games. Other than that it's just the usual windows applications and internet streaming, etc. No photo/video editing, etc.

    @ExRayTed so the Intel is the better option for gaming then. I had assumed that the extra cores of the AMD would only benefit with heavy multi tasking and editing applications and from researching benchmarking results, it seems the i5 performs better core for core individually.

    As for motherboards then, could you recommend any other than the ROG line which are cheaper and equal quality? As I'm not 100% sure in regards to these.

    Thanks.
     
  5. tamzzy

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  6. Jord-88

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    Cheers for the link, like you say, shame about the orange theme as I currently have a blue LED lighting theme, but suppose it could be changed, not too much of a hassle if it came to it.
     
  7. tamzzy

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    i beg your pardon, the board is actually rgb. should have no issues with your blue led lighting then =)
    and you get a £20 steam voucher with this board #win
     
  8. Jord-88

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    You are right! After a bit of digging I can see it is RGB, that's that problem solved.

    If it's anything like Gigabytes previous mobo's then I'm sure it will be reliable aswell, looks like a good contender then :D
     
  9. tamzzy

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    i should have known anything called #ultra #gaming should have #rgb in :D
     
  10. Jord-88

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    It's the "in" thing, how else can we see our shiny components if it doesn't light up in 7 million different colours :D
     
  11. Thekwango

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    just to point out the 1700x is 8c/16t, not 6/12.

    if you did decide to go ryzen you would want faster ram - ~3000/3200

    for me, i'd personally go with the ryzen. coffee lake (lga 1151) is a dead end upgrade wise, that may not have any bearing on you though. going the ryzen route will offer zen+/zen2 upgrade path. coffee lake has the pure 'grunt' (moar ghz) but the difference in gaming in the 2 platforms is minimal in most instances.

    not looked at pricing comparisons, but if you can get the 1700x and faster memory at a decent price saving over coffee lake it would be my choice but that's just my personal opinion
     
  12. tamzzy

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    my bad, well spotted. i read it as 1600x =x
     
  13. southernorth

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    https://wccftech.com/review/intel-core-i7-8700k-core-i5-8600k-core-i5-8400-cpu-review/8/

    That page has loads of game benchmarks at 1440p using a 1080ti. Features 8600k v 1700x.




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    Need a decent cooler for each option.
     
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  14. Thekwango

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    it's cool, at this time of night it's an easy mistake! :p
     
  15. tamzzy

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    Above suggestions from South is solid !

    I've got i5 8400 - launched at £170 and is a stunner if a chip , specially if your gaming at 1440p+ although haven't had a bottle neck yet at 1080p :D
    But if you've got the budget for K version sweet
     
  17. Jord-88

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    Thanks for the replies, thanks @southernorth for the baskets.

    I am edging towards the Intel build as this is what I've always done and it seems the i5 has better clock for clock gaming performance. Also the Ryzen and Intel build come in at roughly the same price so I'm guessing it's down to my personal preference.

    Would my Hyper 212+ EVO cooler that I currently use, still be compatible and good with the i5 8600k?

    Also, I'm guessing these new motherboards are spacious enough to house my new 1080ti (triple slot), and still have the use of a PCI slot for my soundcard? Without compromising air flow, etc.
     
  18. tamzzy

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    212+ evo is an entry level cooler, you could use it initially and see how you get on with it then change if you need to.

    Just use the bottom PCI slot so it won't interfere with the GPU
     
  19. Jord-88

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    Ok thanks. I will look into better coolers after I've got the build together I think.

    Yeah I thought so, looks enough clearance on that board anyway so should be good.
     
  20. lee32uk

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    I would keep the i5 2500K and try it first with the new gpu. You might get a slight bottleneck but it is less at 1440p than it would be at 1080p.